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CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Junior Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 489 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 10:10 am: |
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yvonne, dreamy anxious anot hah... bb coming out soon. hehe dreamy, think u discuss with dr ong... see what he says.. wishababy, her package cost 1.8k (i dunno if the price increase anot) and only include normal delivery charges. if c-section, gotta top up. and this package start abt wks 12 or 14... hehe forget ler.. |
   
Yvonne Lai (ylai1997)
New member Username: ylai1997
Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 3:08 pm: |
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hi wishababy, his package is now between 1.8k to 2.2k, inclusive normal delivery and one 3D detailed scan, exclusing all medications and other tests which you might need to take during the whole course of preg. i start my package when i was at week 10, cos i dun feel nauseous, and doc says my preg very stable. hi crystalz, hehehheeheh, cant wait to hold my baby boy for the 1st time. have been counting down since day 1, kekekekekek. dreamy, why dun u discuss with your superior? my edd 18 aug, but i will start working from home from 1 aug. dun waster your maternity leave. 12 weeks is actually not enough. |
   
CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Junior Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 493 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 10:20 pm: |
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yvonne, really miss the time when dr ong help to deliver my baby ger. He still can joke while stitching the tear. |
   
Yvonne Lai (ylai1997)
New member Username: ylai1997
Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 10:25 pm: |
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really? but doc can b quite stern sometimes....my hubby always say only this doc can control me.... next mon i turn 37wks....time really flies |
   
CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 507 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 10:23 pm: |
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wow... u prepare already? i gave birth to my ger @ 37weeks haha he only will be serious for important things... haha he really can joke... very nice gyne. I just went to see him for scanning last wed. hehe he ask me when i'm planning for 2nd bb. haha |
   
LQ (123rose)
New member Username: 123rose
Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 1:54 pm: |
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Hi confused by some of the terms here, what is PCOS, D&C & TTC? Has anyone been treated by Dr Ong for endotrimesis? Is he good? Recently another gynae found an ovarian cyst in me and advised me to remove it, wish to get a second opinion.. |
   
MamaPanda (slinky)
Intermediate Member Username: slinky
Post Number: 3489 Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 6:49 pm: |
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I also went to see Dr Ong yesterday as my GP referred me to him after having a positive preggy test and I was bleeding quite alot. Dr ong wasn't the smiley doctor u all were talking about probably because mine wasn't very optimistic news. After giving me the jab and medication, my bleeding seems to have stopped and I have to go back to his clinic tomorrow for the 2nd blood test to see if the baby is still growing or didn't survive. Keeping fingers crossed. The fact that the bleeding stopped is good news I suppose. Only thing was I find his charges abit on the high side. The bill came up to $400+ at his clinic yesterday for a blood test, scan, consultation, 1 jab and 1 box of progesterone medication (1 week). I was with another gynae with my first child and I felt he was more reasonably charged but that was almost 3 years ago so pricing might have been different already. overall, I felt Dr Ong is ok even after 1 visit. Will need to go for more visits before I can comment further. LQ TTC = trying to conceive D&C = an op that involves opening of the cervix to "clean up" the uterus via vacuum suction (usually for abortions, removal of polyps, cysts, fibriods, etc). If u want to know more, u can do a search for D&C on google and you'll get tonnes of info on it :P PCOS = not sure |
   
Chua Wan Chuen (jetudes)
Junior Member Username: jetudes
Post Number: 105 Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 11:01 am: |
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I am a mummy with Dr Ong, Mamapanda, hope that you are alright. PCOS = not sure about that too. |
   
Yvonne Lai (ylai1997)
New member Username: ylai1997
Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 5:07 pm: |
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coming mon i m gg to c him again...... so when r u planning 4 the 2nd one????? |
   
wishababy (parisgirl)
Junior Member Username: parisgirl
Post Number: 112 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 5:51 pm: |
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thanks crystal and Yvonne Lai for yr replies. i signed up package with doctor ong already. i find his pricing expensive but not tat sky high expensive. bearable for me. he is friendly doctor. |
   
CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 523 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 3:05 pm: |
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mamapanda, ya.. his pricing is quite high. THat time my bb oso unstable.. gotta take injection till bb is 12 weeks old. very siong ah... but he is a good doctor, so i just bear with it. yvonne, planning next yr... but my menses still MIA haha cos still breastfeeding. so dr ong ask me to cut down on my pumping if i want my menses to come. |
   
Ranna Seah (torayme)
New member Username: torayme
Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 11:24 am: |
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Ladies, I just tested positive and I just want to go to a gynae to make sure everything is ok. I am staying in Bukit Panjang too so I think I should go to Dr Douglas Ong since I am hearing so many good things about him here. Can I know what is the best time to call the clinic? I've been calling since 10am and theres no reply...  |
   
GreenGrape (greengrape)
New member Username: greengrape
Post Number: 48 Registered: 5-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 2:35 pm: |
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Best to call the Mt E clinic as he is there most of the time. He is only at Bukit Panjang on certain days/nights of the week. |
   
TorayMe (torayme)
New member Username: torayme
Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 3:46 pm: |
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Thank you, greengrape! I managed to reach the clinic at about 1pm+ and got an appointment tomorrow at 3.15pm. |
   
CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 580 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 10:35 pm: |
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yvonne, doing confinement now? hehe share ur birth story leh |
   
Yvonne Lai (ylai1997)
New member Username: ylai1997
Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 3:09 pm: |
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hi crystal, just manage to find time to log in man. oh i finish my confinement. had an bad experience during the 1 mth with MIL. she is doing confinement for me. anyway it is over, dun wanna talk abt it. |
   
Yvonne Lai (ylai1997)
New member Username: ylai1997
Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 3:18 pm: |
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hi all, did anyone install cameras at home to spy on maids when u go back to work? if yes pls provide more info such as cost, vendor. thanks |
   
dONkEy (lohalo)
New member Username: lohalo
Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2008
| | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 11:58 pm: |
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hi, anyone knows whether Dr Douglas Ong is good in handling high risk pregnancy?? |
   
MooMoo (tayying)
New member Username: tayying
Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 8:13 am: |
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Can anyone share with me the package of Dr Douglas Ong? |
   
Lynn (lynny)
Junior Member Username: lynny
Post Number: 490 Registered: 2-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 11:58 am: |
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Hi I've called up Dr Douglas Ong's clinic at Mt E to enquire abt the packages but the receptionist who picked up the phone told me to drop by and she will brief me the packages (she mentioned she will hand out the paper)..easier to understand. wonder if anyone existingly has the package info? Cos find it a little hassle to go down all the way now that I'm preggie..but would love to know their packages (like start from which month and their rates). Any info would be much appreciated. Can email me at thirdanniversary@yahoo.com.sg? Many thanks. |
   
MamaPanda (slinky)
Intermediate Member Username: slinky
Post Number: 3588 Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 2:27 pm: |
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whoever has the package pricing for Dr ONG can also PM me pls? |
   
NickMummy (nickmummy)
Member Username: nickmummy
Post Number: 613 Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 4:34 pm: |
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can you pls PM me the details too? Interested.. thankss |
   
Rain (rainyheart)
Member Username: rainyheart
Post Number: 1095 Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 2:33 pm: |
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Does anyone knows whether Dr ong is good at VBAC? |
   
NickMummy (nickmummy)
Member Username: nickmummy
Post Number: 760 Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 3:20 pm: |
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Hi rainyheart I think you can call up to enquire, they are quite friendly and I dun think they will tell u things that are untrue. |
   
Rain (rainyheart)
Member Username: rainyheart
Post Number: 1096 Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 7:04 pm: |
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Anyone has experience VBAC with dr ong? |
   
Jgal (jgal)
Intermediate Member Username: jgal
Post Number: 4041 Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 2:51 pm: |
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Rain.. not sure abt vbac. His current pkg is $2k from 16 wks onwards incl delivery. Aniway, whether you going to be his patient or not, its good to get the pricing paper frm the clinic. They have estimate for all the possible costs e.g. EPI doc, PD visits etc. |
   
NickMummy (nickmummy)
Member Username: nickmummy
Post Number: 805 Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:53 pm: |
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I am quite surpised that he charges extra for after office hours delivery.. Does anyone's gynae also charge similar fee? My 1st gynae does not charge me extra $ for after office hours delivery.. I find that Dr Ong's prices are very transparent and I have confident in him Some gynae may just have one lump sum fee that includes this and that.. but beware that there are hidden charges that we are not aware of.. so ask for more. |
   
tzen (tzen1001)
New member Username: tzen1001
Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2009
| | Posted on Friday, September 25, 2009 - 9:49 pm: |
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Just to share, Dr Ong is a very careful gynae. I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes in my 3rd trimester (very mild according to the MtE dietician) and Dr Ong put me on blood glucose monitoring and had follow-ups with me every 2 weeks to ensure my pregnancy is going on well. My friend who was diagnosed with GD higher than mine under another gynae was only given notes on what diet to eat/avoid. I had good vibes with Dr Ong and will definitely go back to him when I have #2.  |
   
Hammie (hammie38)
New member Username: hammie38
Post Number: 86 Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 7:47 am: |
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Hihi Anyone with Dr Ong undergoing IUI? |
   
CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 1036 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 7:10 am: |
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Dr Ong is not only careful but oso daring! hehe for my 2nd pregnancy @ 32 weeks, i was diagnosed with preeclampsia. Usually, when other gyane get to diagnosed this, need to deliver immediately. but for him, i undergo blood test every week, see him weekly and manage to drag till i'm 35weeks! So happy! |
   
Jgal (jgal)
Intermediate Member Username: jgal
Post Number: 4477 Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 12:56 pm: |
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crystalz , can see that he is a gynea that take very pregnancy as a miracle. He does his best for the baby and never take the easy way out.. I was surprise that he took the time to give advise on h1n1 and compile it to give to us in paper. |
   
CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 1037 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:46 pm: |
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Jgal, yeah... he really nice! but he abit ex lah.. haha lucky for the weekly check up he din charge me extra... if not my pocket really burn a big big hole keke. |
   
Rain (rainyheart)
Member Username: rainyheart
Post Number: 1145 Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:09 pm: |
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I have complication since week 20.. and my appt with him is every 2 weeks after that.. and he didnt charge me extra too |
   
CryStaLZ (crystalz)
Member Username: crystalz
Post Number: 1040 Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 5:10 pm: |
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rain, really nice of him... he really is a careful gyane. |
   
Jgal (jgal)
Intermediate Member Username: jgal
Post Number: 4839 Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 10:26 pm: |
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just come back from my gynea visit.. 29 wks now. I am surprise to know that other gynea are still scheduling their patient on a 5 wk visitation at 27 wk, i.e. next visit is 32 wk. Dr Ong, schedule me for 31 wk visit, i.e. 2wks later. I think for the extra we paid for the pkg, we are actually getting more freq visits which is "safer". Also , i heard some Dr like to induce their patient before EDD. Personally, think that by doing inducing.. there are are higher chances of unnecessary complication esp if it before EDD. Actually, all these result in cheaper cost to us cos' higher freq and less complication means smoother delivery. Chances of E C-sect or sudden labour/preemies is lower. Frankly, it's worth the extra for a good and responsible gynea. |
   
bin27 (bin27)
Junior Member Username: bin27
Post Number: 152 Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 11:06 pm: |
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I am with my #3 whom is due 4 jan and have been with dr douglas ong since my #1. Have to say that he is a very encouraging and caring Gynae and his staffs are good also. Heard fr midwives at MtA mentions that dr ong is a doctor who would opt for child birth to be as natural as possible ..... Not even bursting the water bag.... I always recommend friends to him.... |
   
MT (tongtong)
New member Username: tongtong
Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 9:03 pm: |
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Yes, I had my 1st via c-sect and I just had a VBAC with Dr Ong in Dec'09. After that, he insist that I could do a natural .. When he was stitching me up, he was also joking .. a very good gynae who will put you at ease .. |
   
Jollymummy (jollymummy)
New member Username: jollymummy
Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 3:41 am: |
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Rain, I guess you got your vbac answer from Tongtong. I'm considering Dr Douglas Ong now as I'm looking for vbac gynae. After reading the posts here, I feel a little more assured of him. Just a few questions to mummies here: 1. Is Dr Ong a Christian? 2. I heard Dr Ong delivers at Mt E. Which other hospitals does he deliver at? 3. Tongtong, is it ok for you to share the birth weight of your 1st & 2nd baby, and why you had t undergo a c-section the 1st time? I underwent c-section too for 1st baby and didn't want to go thru it again, will be changing gynae. Thanks!! |
   
Baby Chelsi (chelsi)
Member Username: chelsi
Post Number: 1251 Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 11:25 pm: |
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Jollymummy, Ans to your first 2 questions: 1) Yes..Dr Ong is a Christian. 2) He also deliver at Mount A |
   
Ian (iandao)
New member Username: iandao
Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 7:57 am: |
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hi mums/mtbs, can i know where dr ong's clinic is currently located in bukit panjang? |
   
MamaPanda (slinky)
Intermediate Member Username: slinky
Post Number: 3673 Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 10:22 am: |
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10 mile junction, 2nd floor. beside the children's art class at the end. |
   
MamaPanda (slinky)
Intermediate Member Username: slinky
Post Number: 3674 Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 10:24 am: |
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btw I think Dr Douglas Ong is catholic, not christian. He's the VP for Natural Family Planning Singapore. |
   
Ian (iandao)
New member Username: iandao
Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 - 3:15 pm: |
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thanks slinky! |
   
WWT (vaiosiao)
New member Username: vaiosiao
Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 1:42 pm: |
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Hi Everyone, Does anyone has any idea DOC@BP close on which other day beside Sunday? |
   
mousy_pig (suiching)
Member Username: suiching
Post Number: 1291 Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 11:53 pm: |
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Hi, Anyone has gone for the follow-up check-up of pap smear and breast check-up after delivery by Dr Ong? What will be done for the breast check-up ah? wondering if should go for it anot....feel awkward leh. |
   
Paninibread (paninibread)
New member Username: paninibread
Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 2:44 pm: |
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Hi mousy pig, I've gone for follow-up check-up after delivery by Dr Ong & he's very professional. His female assistant will be beside him during the examination so nothing to feel awkward about. |
   
Jazz2 (jazz2)
New member Username: jazz2
Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 5:43 pm: |
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anyone has dr ong's emergency number? |
   
xiaolambie (xiaolambie)
New member Username: xiaolambie
Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 3:28 pm: |
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Anyone received any new whether Dr Ong's clinic at Ten mile junction will be relocated at end of the year? if so, can share? =) |
   
humama (humama)
New member Username: humama
Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:27 pm: |
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just saw this thread.. I am wif Dr Ong too .. EDD 7th Oct Jazz2 (jazz2) : the emergency number is 65358833 (it's an answering machine service, but Dr. Ong reassured me before that he will call back even after midnight =) hope the info still useful =) xiaolambie: My friend works in one of the tution centre @10 mile, seemes that have everyone's moving end of the year cos the place have been tendered off. I'm going down to the clinic tomorrow.. will try ask Qing Hsia/ Jenny and update again =) |
   
Jazz2 (jazz2)
New member Username: jazz2
Post Number: 93 Registered: 3-2008
| | Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 2:06 pm: |
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ya i am also wondering where the clinic will be shifting. |
   
Jazz2 (jazz2)
New member Username: jazz2
Post Number: 95 Registered: 3-2008
| | Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 9:51 am: |
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humama, did u take the NT scan the other time? was wondering if i should. |
   
humama (humama)
New member Username: humama
Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 11:23 am: |
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Jazz2: I didn't take up any of the Down syndrome test. I only did a routine blood test to chk for anemia etc, and at 7th mth a diabetic glucose tolerance test. We were briefed through by Dr Ong on the Down Syndrome tests.. for my age (31.. the risk is about 0.125% or 1 in 800), moreover the NT scan and the blood test or combi only tells if you are in a high risk/low risk group. Even if you are in the high risk group, doesn't mean the baby is having Down, just that the risk is higher - that's all .. to be sure, will need an amnio which again carries a 0.5-1% risk of miscarriage. My decision all boils down to - what will you do with the final information available.e.g will you carry on with the pregnancy or choose to terminate it?. For me and hubby, we feel that every child is a blessing and have a fate of its own, thus we decided not to do the test(not to mention we did not want to go thru the anxiety for waiting for test results etc ... just to relate, my friend tested +ve, went on to do the amnio. End results was that her baby was completely fine. but the waiting window after the NT scan and before the amnio, and for amnio results thereafter were torturing) What I said above is based on my own judgement. For me I would love to treat my own as an unique and would love to have it as carefree/ stressfree as possible. If you are wondering then perhaps the best question to ask yourself is, what are you going to do with the information(test results)that's available to you: 1) if the NT or combi test is +ve, will you want to pursue to amniocentesis? are you comfortable with the risk of 0.5-1% of miscarriage to carry on with amnio (bearing in mind the baby might just be perfectly normal at the end of the day) 2)if you proceed and touchwood..in rare cases that if your baby is confirmed of having Down, will you and hubby wanna continue with the pregnancy (if yes, the knowledge of the test result might give you about 6 mths headstart to prepare mentally - join support groups, get more infor etc, but on the other hand it can also be a torturing remainder 6 mth of your pregnancy) and (if n0, then you will have to look into alternative of terminating the pregnancy - and in this case will have to seek 2nd opinion/look for other gynae as Dr. Ong doesn't perform abortions) pretty long explaination.. but I hope it helps to clear off some of your doubts =) |
   
humama (humama)
New member Username: humama
Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 11:23 pm: |
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came back from chk up today.. the clinic will be moving by nov this year ... tentatively seems will be relocating to Bt Timah Plaza (but not fully confirmed yet). Nonetheless, the clinic phone numbers will remain the same no matter where they will be moving to. |
   
Jazz2 (jazz2)
Junior Member Username: jazz2
Post Number: 120 Registered: 3-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 4:51 pm: |
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thanks humama for the lengthy explanation ;) yap they are shifting to BT Plaza.sigh... |
   
enmummy (enmummy)
Junior Member Username: enmummy
Post Number: 104 Registered: 8-2010
| | Posted on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 4:35 pm: |
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humama: have you given birth yet? i am amazed to find someone thinking exactly the same way as me! i m also with dr ong too... http://www.mypregnancybabydiary.com/oscar-test-to-do-or-not |
   
humama (humama)
New member Username: humama
Post Number: 62 Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 11:56 am: |
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Enmummy, I hv just delivered my BB gal on wed nite.. And all's well. Yesterday was 1st day wif BB home.. Really unlike in hospital ... My gal seem to be still adapting how to swallow her saliva.. hving hiccups throughout the night n wanting bmilk every 2 hrs... When's ur EDD? Try to catch real good rest before ur big day ! |
   
Lindy Wong (ting20)
New member Username: ting20
Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2010
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 3:29 pm: |
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Hi, Just to share that Douglas was my gynae 1 yr ago where i had a c-section previously. The surgery wasn't done perfectly and my wound got infection 2 weeks after the delivery. Though i am grateful that my boy was delivered safely but i found his services are very expensive as compared to all my friends. Now, my boy is already 1 year old but my wound is still itchy n red at times and obviously, the stitches are ugly and uncomfortable. I wont go for him for my 2nd child. So please think twice if you decide to let him to do c-section for you. |
   
shugar (shugar)
Member Username: shugar
Post Number: 1196 Registered: 2-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2010 - 1:57 am: |
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I had quite a good experience with dr Ong for my boy's birth last year. Mine had some complications as my baby was breeched and decided to come out early at 37 weeks. Dr Ong was calm and reassuring throughout and that helped a lot! I had an emergency c-sect and today the scar can hardly b seen. . I had a few friends who had good experiences with him too that's y I choose his clinic despite it being a bit in the ex side plus super far from my place.:/ But I'll definately go to him again if I hv a #2.;) |
   
Jazz2 (jazz2)
Junior Member Username: jazz2
Post Number: 190 Registered: 3-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 2:10 pm: |
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i had a very good experience with Dr Ong for my first child. Now expecting no 2. I always like him very much, professional and assuring. Introduced many friends and colleagues to him and they find him very good. anyone knows what time the BT clinic open? |
   
ronniemini (ronniemini)
Member Username: ronniemini
Post Number: 761 Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 2:35 pm: |
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Hi, Can anybody share with me dr Douglas ong package and details huh? Thanks so much in advance.  |